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« on: June 21, 2010, 08:06:35 PM » |
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(split from original topic)Thanks guys  Waz and I were talking over the weekend. What I'm talking about is more of a format change and not facelift. I think this describes it best: "Start off small. I feel the forum is a little intimidating. If you look at blogs with a good following, it is a few people talking to many. It is kind of intimate. I'd like to get there. Maybe take the focus off VGSM and focus more on VGM in general Have message boards, like what we have now, just scaled back and in a different format" What do you think about that?
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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 11:40:35 PM » |
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I guess it's time to move on from VGSM to VGM as we don't take much requests lately let alone produce sheets that often. So I guess a change is in order. I say we try it and see how it goes.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 11:58:49 PM » |
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How does sheet music production currently work with this site? I haven't been here too long and don't have access to the members only area so I don't really understand too much about how things work. As for producing sheets often, I average around 2-4 per week (a total of 199 so far). If there is way of submitting those I will certainly do that to help out.
Another thing, what would a move to VGM entail as far as content goes?
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 07:40:28 AM » |
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(Just in case anyone wants to discuss things in chat, I'll be over in there just about all day.)
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2010, 08:12:35 AM » |
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I think this describes it best:
"Start off small. I feel the forum is a little intimidating. If you look at blogs with a good following, it is a few people talking to many. It is kind of intimate. I'd like to get there. Maybe take the focus off VGSM and focus more on VGM in general
Have message boards, like what we have now, just scaled back and in a different format"
What do you think about that?
Really? I was thinking the complete opposite. I think the subforums should be spread out a bit. When people see a small forum and posts in only one or two categories, it looks as though the forum isn't very active. If the forum is bigger, there are more places to post and it gives the illusion of more activity which in turn encourages it. Just a thought. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2010, 08:39:03 AM » |
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Let's look at how some other sites to see what they do:
Sonic Retro:
When I keep saying "let's have a wiki", this is what I mean. The Info section is very well layed out and comprehensive. Just look around there to see what I mean.
The forums are also very compact, in that there are only a few main boards to post on. Ours doesn't have to be that way, just a suggestion on how to organize.
OC Remix:
Their forums don't impress me that much, but I do like how they accept / judge submissions. Having an great homepage helps as well.
TAS Videos:
Forums are good as well. I like how there is lots of discussion on WIPs, submissions, and publications.
On both Sonic Retro and TAS Videos, I really like the award system too.
Besides all this, I would really like to expand the "VGM Arranging / Transcribing Guide". I'd want to go all the way with it, have guides on systems, software, theory, everything.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 05:32:43 PM » |
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Perhaps this isn't the right place to post it as vgsheets, so pardon the following braindump. IntroSo, I've had this dream for a while, and have put some thought into a framework and concise idea: a single website where arrangers of music can go to share their creations. Yep, not the only one with this vision. Big idea. Idealistic dream. Elevator PitchA website for arrangers to share their creations. A simple way to upload any arrangement. YouTube meets OC Remix, expect targeted at the niche arranger-community (meaning sheet music, not remixes), and anyone looking for free arranged music. This doesn't have to be exclusive to video game music, but it's a good start. Main website elements- Arrangements: easy way for creators to upload and share. New/popular/whatever sheet music is featured on the home page. All arrangers have prominent profiles which features their contributions. Anyone can download completed arrangements; any registered user can rate/comment/review.
- Search: Easy to use and accurate
- Wiki: everything on arranging music, tutorial style. Comprehensive tutorials, tips for beginners, etc. (awesome idea, Waz)
- Forum: well-integrated into site.
Sites that achieve parts of this. The vision draws from multiple other vg/anime-related sites which all get parts of the vision right, but are scattered in other regards. Mini-review: - Soda Sheet Music: Awesome concept, but primarily a personal site. 2944 arrangements are (mostly anime)
- SquareSound A bit too... corporate(?) with sales and all. Yeah, there's the forum and the Arrangement Archive, but it seems more of a news/business site than a community purely focused on arrangements. I could be wrong? 1563 arrangements
- OC Remix: Beautiful wiki-based site and layout. High submission standards keep quality high, but prevents a comprehensive list of everyone's creations. I prefer community feedback (stars, ranking, "peer-feedback" over a panel of (qualified) judges. [And of course, OCR is for remixes, not sheet music]
- Ichigos: Getting stuff on the actual site isn't as simple as it could be. The forum is Ichigo's greatest asset, but it's not linked to the main point of the site -- finding arrangements easily. Contributions are scattered throughout the forum. 836 sheets publicly, thousands unaccounted for in the forums
- vgmusic.com: Strength: huge midi archive. Fallback: Web 1.0 standards, no community
There are a few other communities that hope to aggregate arrangements/sheet music. This is not including the sites some of us manage -- whether personal arrangement portfolios, or console-specific collections. The site should be comprehensive, which doesn't necessarily mean "big." Aside from perhaps Ichigos, there isn't a single website that accurately lists all arrangements everywhere. Google is only of moderate help. What I love about VGsheets.com is that some of the most well-known/active arrangers are spearheading it. But as with anything, there's potential for growth. Anyhow. I rambled a bit, but I hope the main idea came through. |
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 05:06:38 AM » |
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Problems I find with your vision: - We lose control of our arrangements. Expect people to steal your work. Reuploads of arrangements by different people and ownership disputes will be a nightmare to deal with. - Good works get buried by piles of mediocrity. Quality goes down, as mediocrity becomes the new standard (Hello, YouTube!). Even with the community feedback I wouldn't like seeing my arrangements sorrounded by half-assed attempts at arranging. - Voting power should be weighted. Why should a new user-troll be able to vote down good arrangements and have his opinion be taken into account just as much as the one of somebody with good reputation and years on the site? Also, this way we avoid the creation of multiple accounts to raise the rank/punctuation of one's arrangements. - Even with our personal sites and our info written on our arrangements, performers still almost ever credit us for our work. Being on a big website all together would further dilute the authorship of each arrangement and worsen this problem. - Would you really scrap your personal site and migrate all your content to such a big website? I like having my little personal site... I like the wiki idea though. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 01:20:53 PM » |
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I like the wiki idea too. If we could get people to commit to writing content, I'll setup a test area and PM you all accounts.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 08:08:39 PM » |
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A wiki would be nice. All I can offer is tutorials, guides, and that sheet music compilation list; and maybe composer's biography and their works. Is it ok to add other game sheet music sites besides vgsheets?
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2010, 08:34:58 PM » |
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Hi, I run ThaSauce (and it's sub-sites ReMix:ThaSauce, compo:ThaSauce, and incidentally OLReMix now a days, but that's a different story). I'd like to think some people familiar with OCReMix would be familiar with ThaSauce, but generally it's a video game remix site similar to OCR, but with less strict submission standards (see: quality control). But anyway I'm not here to talk about my site. I apologize for being pretty late to this party, I got an e-mail in my Google Alerts today (because I usually try to follow what's going on with VGM) and it brought me here. Seeing as we have similar audiences, and seeing as you're (seemingly) providing a service that I'm really interested in my users having access to/being a part of, I'm really interested in helping you out (uhh...I mean, you know giving advice, and opinions and stuff...I mean if you REALLY need code and design help I can offer that too a little, but I'm pretty busy, lol). I am kind of confused, though. I haven't really been able to fight much information on what the site is about, but from what it seems like is it's for arrangers to post their music and sheet music of their arrangements? That's awesome. People on OCR ask for that stuff all the time, but it gets shunted pretty quick. So if you guys could give me an idea on the primary focus here maybe I can help? Maybe secondary focuses as well. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 11:46:13 AM » |
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Hey there, Ramaniscence. Game Music Affiliates is basically a VGM community. We're mostly focused on video game sheet music, but other kinds of VGM sites are welcomed too. The site is like a portal to video game music sites and we gather here to discuss it. Anyway, I was thinking about reorganizing the forum. I'll try to find/maybe make a decent new theme too. I think we need another fresh start. Here's a bit of what I was thinking:  Big text are the categories, small text subforums in those categories. People might not agree with sticking all the Affiliates in the same category, but stretched out like this it takes quite a bit of room. Still unsure whether or not music and video games should be subforums of the General. I've never really liked the fact that game music and other music have been separate subforums though. But I'm unsure what to do about that. For the Exclusive info category, I think it's useless. That can be replaced with a Sticky in the Annoucements category and updated whenever something new is added. For the compilation list, I also agree that we should include other sites besides the affiliates as well. I think that would be beneficial to the whole VGSM community. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 09:57:10 AM » |
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I wanted to re post what Gori said since I want to point out a few ideas for the wiki. - We lose control of our arrangements. Expect people to steal your work. Reuploads of arrangements by different people and ownership disputes will be a nightmare to deal with.
- Good works get buried by piles of mediocrity. Quality goes down, as mediocrity becomes the new standard (Hello, YouTube!). Even with the community feedback I wouldn't like seeing my arrangements sorrounded by half-assed attempts at arranging.
Make it so no one can upload anything until either they are a trusted affiliate, or have at least a few sheets to show that they are competent. - Voting power should be weighted. Why should a new user-troll be able to vote down good arrangements and have his opinion be taken into account just as much as the one of somebody with good reputation and years on the site? Also, this way we avoid the creation of multiple accounts to raise the rank/punctuation of one's arrangements. Absolutely. I think affiliates voting power should be something like 20% of total votes, at all times. Also, users shouldn't be able to judge submissions unless they have had material approved before, or contributed in some way (wiki, forums). If they've really shown they're good, we could adjust their voting power in some way (1 vote counts as 5 or something). - Even with our personal sites and our info written on our arrangements, performers still almost never credit us for our work. Being on a big website all together would further dilute the authorship of each arrangement and worsen this problem. Actually, I think the opposite might happen. I'm guessing that if we were more popular on the net, it would be easier to attach a name to an arrangement / work. I bet performers are honest, and would be willing to give credit, instead of the "It was made by some guy on some website somewhere" problem you believe we have now. Not saying it will fix things, just that it might be ok. - Would you really scrap your personal site and migrate all your content to such a big website? I like having my little personal site... We don't have to. We'll have a Game Music Themes wiki page, and we can make sure we don't have direct-download links for arrangements, so that users go straight to your page when they click the link (That's how it is right now, actually). Personally, I don't care. My website is pretty lame anyway.  I like the wiki idea though. Yes sir. |
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